has the united states becoming one of the leading energy producers over the next several years. crude trading at $93. i think it's a sale. i think -- natural gas rally up 10% in the last week or something, and -- but i -- liz: elliot, you know, natural gas broke my heart. you break my heart over and over. >> get in line. liz: you think something happens, and it doesn't. >> natural gas is over priced, and watch that platinum-geld thing. platinum should be over gold. i don't know what they were saying with silver having industrial uses also, but not since photography we want to digital have i seen uses for silver, at least, you know, on the day-to-day thing, but i think energy's over priced and gold is coming back in line with that platinum thing. liz: the platinum is the go-to metal with jewelry. >> platinum, you know, they use gold in catalytic converters or something? liz: no, they use palladium. >> oh, palladium. okay. all i know is there's plenty of gold on the planet, no shortage of gold. liz: gary, we had a cad littic converter on the -- catalytic converter on set once. gre